tell me what to buy
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Timmy needs a new laptop. Three years ago, we splurged and bought a matching set of Dell Inspiron 710m's - one for me, one for Laura. We were quite pleased with them until we found out that they suck (apparently Dell agrees - they don't even make that model anymore). Laura's has survived longer than mine primarily because she's gentler on a system than I am (no Designer, no VMWare, etc.). Mine, on the other hand... the sound card died about 15 minutes after the warranty expired, which was disappointing but not tragic - I could still sync my iPod, of course, so I would just listen to it instead of running iTunes while coding. But the hard drive went not long after. So I dropped in a new, slightly larger one, which has been fairly reliable ever since, but since the laptop runs hot, I'm sure its days are numbered.
The real trouble has been power: although the battery in Laura's still holds about a 90 minute charge, I'm lucky to get 30 out of mine, and neither of us could manage to keep a power adapter alive for more than a few months. And, naturally, none of the 9 that now sit lifeless in a cardboard box in the server room (read: a small nook branching off of the living room wherein Ophelia sits, humming quietly to herself, serving up this blog and sundry skunkish Domino apps I play with when I can't sleep, SFTP, SVN, and anything else I feel like asking her to do) were on any of the many recall lists, and Dell was predictably unresponsive to requests to replace any of them with an equivalent device that wasn't crap. Or for less than about $80 per unit. Lifehacker to the rescue once again: I caught wind of a Belkin "univeral" adapter (it ships with 12 interchangeable tips, each compatible with several different laptop models, and supposedly if the one you need isn't included, they'll ship it to you for free, but the one I needed was in the box) for $19. So I bought two. I've only had them about a month, so who knows how long they'll last, but what was noticeable immediately is that they don't run hot, which seems to have been the primary problem with the Dell adapters.
In any case, my Inspiron now sleeps with the proverbial fishes. The Asus EEE I bought for Lotusphere last year has been a handy little toy for watching movies and such, though it's way too small for any actual work (though it does have Notes installed, and for a short while after 8.5 was released, was running Domino... and did quite well), so I got Laura a 1000HE. It's large enough for what she needs but still fairly small and light. So she bequeathed me her Inspiron and, following a quick organ transplant (hard drive and RAM, to be precise), it's limped along decently. I have sound again, which is nice. The 1280x800 is preferable to my work Thinkpad's 1024x768 when coding an XPage without access to an external monitor. But it no longer hibernates, and having to completely shut down and boot back up is a big pet peeve of mine. The hard drive runs hot, so I back up my data to 3 separate locations in preparation for its eventual death. And, again, who knows how long these Belkin adapters will continue to surprise me.
So this is the part where you tell me what I should buy as a replacement. I've perused NewEgg and PriceGrabber, scoping out various models (Acer seems to have a couple promising rigs, and I'm intrigued by the largest of the Lenovo IdeaPads) and reading customer reviews, but I'd rather have advice from those who use laptops for similar purposes ("Dammit, Jim, I'm a coder, not a gamer"). I'm tempted to take the plunge and buy a MacBook, but despite all the valid reasons I can think of for doing so, I can't shake the feeling that I'd just be buying one because I want a Mac. And there's no denying that, spec for spec, I can get more power for less money from another vendor. Nonetheless, Apple fans, feel free to convince me otherwise.
Here are my requirements, approximately in descending order of importance (knowing full well that some may be contradictory):
UPDATE: on advice of imaginary legal counsel, I'm obligated to state that the prevalence of references to the programming construct known as "Goto" in this blog post are in no way an endorsement of its use in any code intended for production use, with the sole exception of error handling routines in LotusScript. Any such use is forcefully advised against by the author, and included in said blog post for entertainment purposes only.
Timmy needs a new laptop. Three years ago, we splurged and bought a matching set of Dell Inspiron 710m's - one for me, one for Laura. We were quite pleased with them until we found out that they suck (apparently Dell agrees - they don't even make that model anymore). Laura's has survived longer than mine primarily because she's gentler on a system than I am (no Designer, no VMWare, etc.). Mine, on the other hand... the sound card died about 15 minutes after the warranty expired, which was disappointing but not tragic - I could still sync my iPod, of course, so I would just listen to it instead of running iTunes while coding. But the hard drive went not long after. So I dropped in a new, slightly larger one, which has been fairly reliable ever since, but since the laptop runs hot, I'm sure its days are numbered.
The real trouble has been power: although the battery in Laura's still holds about a 90 minute charge, I'm lucky to get 30 out of mine, and neither of us could manage to keep a power adapter alive for more than a few months. And, naturally, none of the 9 that now sit lifeless in a cardboard box in the server room (read: a small nook branching off of the living room wherein Ophelia sits, humming quietly to herself, serving up this blog and sundry skunkish Domino apps I play with when I can't sleep, SFTP, SVN, and anything else I feel like asking her to do) were on any of the many recall lists, and Dell was predictably unresponsive to requests to replace any of them with an equivalent device that wasn't crap. Or for less than about $80 per unit. Lifehacker to the rescue once again: I caught wind of a Belkin "univeral" adapter (it ships with 12 interchangeable tips, each compatible with several different laptop models, and supposedly if the one you need isn't included, they'll ship it to you for free, but the one I needed was in the box) for $19. So I bought two. I've only had them about a month, so who knows how long they'll last, but what was noticeable immediately is that they don't run hot, which seems to have been the primary problem with the Dell adapters.
In any case, my Inspiron now sleeps with the proverbial fishes. The Asus EEE I bought for Lotusphere last year has been a handy little toy for watching movies and such, though it's way too small for any actual work (though it does have Notes installed, and for a short while after 8.5 was released, was running Domino... and did quite well), so I got Laura a 1000HE. It's large enough for what she needs but still fairly small and light. So she bequeathed me her Inspiron and, following a quick organ transplant (hard drive and RAM, to be precise), it's limped along decently. I have sound again, which is nice. The 1280x800 is preferable to my work Thinkpad's 1024x768 when coding an XPage without access to an external monitor. But it no longer hibernates, and having to completely shut down and boot back up is a big pet peeve of mine. The hard drive runs hot, so I back up my data to 3 separate locations in preparation for its eventual death. And, again, who knows how long these Belkin adapters will continue to surprise me.
So this is the part where you tell me what I should buy as a replacement. I've perused NewEgg and PriceGrabber, scoping out various models (Acer seems to have a couple promising rigs, and I'm intrigued by the largest of the Lenovo IdeaPads) and reading customer reviews, but I'd rather have advice from those who use laptops for similar purposes ("Dammit, Jim, I'm a coder, not a gamer"). I'm tempted to take the plunge and buy a MacBook, but despite all the valid reasons I can think of for doing so, I can't shake the feeling that I'd just be buying one because I want a Mac. And there's no denying that, spec for spec, I can get more power for less money from another vendor. Nonetheless, Apple fans, feel free to convince me otherwise.
Here are my requirements, approximately in descending order of importance (knowing full well that some may be contradictory):
- Lots and lots of RAM. Ideally, it should ship with 4GB, but be expandable to 8GB. Virtual machines, before you ask. That and, on average, 4 concurrent applications that either run atop Eclipse or are Eclipse. So, yeah. RAM is a must.
- Wide screen resolution: 1280 or higher. The vertical isn't as important (as long as it's > 600); Designer 8.5 is all about the width (no girth vs. length jokes, please, this is a family-friendly site). OTOH, I don't need 1920 (as long as the card supports it on an external monitor).
- Hard drive doesn't need to be enormous, but > 300 GB would be nice. I travel frequently, sometimes for several weeks at a time, and would like to not have to choose which movies I want to take with me before each trip, or have to hook up an external drive each time I want to watch one. OTOH, I could give a rat's about SSD. No moving parts sounds neat, but I'd rather spend my cash on something else (Goto 1).
- Battery life should be ~3 hours. Laura's 1000HE lasts an amazing 9 hours. Impressive, but more than I need. If I can power up when the plane hits 10K feet leaving ATL and have the 3% warning display as we start our descent into SFO (~4 hours), I'll be a happy camper... but I'd be content with 3.
- Reasonably sized. Having grown accustomed to a 12.1", 17" seems huge to me now (watch it... remember what we discussed earlier). But I'm okay with something in between (Goto 2). Same rules apply to the weight: I don't need it to be as light as a MacBook Air, but if my primary care physician would consider the act of carrying it from one room to another to be "strenuous exercise", I'll pass in favor of something that won't make my legs go numb if I decide to do something silly like resting my laptop on my lap (Goto 3).
UPDATE: on advice of imaginary legal counsel, I'm obligated to state that the prevalence of references to the programming construct known as "Goto" in this blog post are in no way an endorsement of its use in any code intended for production use, with the sole exception of error handling routines in LotusScript. Any such use is forcefully advised against by the author, and included in said blog post for entertainment purposes only.

Comments
Weighing in at 4.5 pounds, this might be a fine choice!
Posted by Lars Berntrop-Bos At 05:51:36 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
Of course, I'm also happy with my two year old work-issued HP 8510w mobile workstation. Also meets your specs, but goes to even higher res of 1920x1280. That model is not available any more, but the EliteBook 8530 would be a current substitute. Battery life on the 8510w would fall a little short of 3 hours, but the newer model might do better. Of course it's more expensive than the consumer-oriented dv5 and it has fewer bells and whistles, but it's definitely a better built machine, intended for engineers and programmers doing serious work.
Posted by Richard Schwartz At 01:11:47 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
VMWare fusion for windows and domino designer.
---* Bill
Posted by Bill At 11:37:49 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
When comparing feature for feature and comparing only on cost, Windows looks good. But cost is not value and the value of the underlying OS and support by the open source development community far outweighs any cost difference.
The cost in time and frustration of configuring and maintaining a Winbox for development is huge compared the the additional dollars spent. You get a lot for those dollars. It just doesn't show up on a tick list of hardware features.
Posted by Dan Sickles At 11:02:36 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
1) You are not limited in your choice of operating systems. If you do not want to run OS X, you do not need to. You can run Windows (or Linux, etc.) natively. The same cannot be said for any other manufacturer's machines. For future-proofing, this is a significant advantage.
2) Apple just updated their hardware and significantly dropped prices on Monday. This made any (perceived) arguments about price differences for the hardware class pretty much moot.
Posted by Douglas G. Robinson At 09:36:40 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
I will probably purchase another Dell, although I have to admit the MacBook Pro looks pretty nice. I say "Dell" instead of "PC" because I've always been greatly impressed with their hardware (not so with their customer support -although lately it has improved). For me it's not so much a "PC vs. Mac" as it is a "Dell vs. Mac" decision.
The 17" really nice when working in an office, coffee shop, or hotel room. However it sucks on a plane. It is too big (that's what she said
I'm thinking about either a 15" M4400 Precision Mobile Workstation { Link } , or a 15" MacBook Pro { Link } . Both are pretty incredible machines, both are way more than I can afford. The big advantage that the MacBook has is that it would allow me to use the iPhone SDK; but the downside is that I'd have to either dual boot or run VM for DDE.
So I guess my only advice is to stay away from the 17" (regardless of make) if you plan on working on a plane.
Posted by Devin Olson At 02:28:11 PM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
the newer macs are getting better and better with battery life. they use less power - apple has really worked hard engineering battery life.
i recently read about a homeless guy who lives in his van. he stays connected to the internet, and battery power is everything for him. he went with a mac for that reason. he keeps a damp cloth under it and it extends the life even longer. i guess keeping the battery cool helps the staying power.
Posted by John Vaughan At 10:57:51 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
Posted by Lars Berntrop-Bos At 05:53:31 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
I have bought many laptops in my lifetime, from many different companies, but I have stayed with Compaq/HP for these reasons: best customer service seen, very few issues and long lasting machines and almost best bang for your buck (Dell is a bit better in that last matter, but for the very small difference in price, I'm sticking with HP).
You need to set a budget, than decide if you go with a "professional" or "home user" laptop. The main difference is usually the processor and the video card.
Nothing against Macs, but my world just isn't a "Mac World"
Posted by Benoit Dubuc At 01:07:29 PM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
I considered the HP workstations as well, and if I hadn't found such a good deal on the Dell Precision I would have gone that route. My next laptop is almost guaranteed to be an HP.
On the subject of Macbooks, it bothers me that even after you purchase the hardware at a premium you still have to buy virtualization software and licenses for the other OS's you need. Since Domino Designer won't run natively on OS X you either have to use Boot Camp to dual boot into XP, or run it in a VM. Everything I do work-wise requires Windows, so I'm not sure why I would invest the money into Apple hardware and software, then additional money on virtualization software and a license for the OS I really need to run. I never have understood the economics of that decision.
Posted by Charles Robinson At 10:32:52 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
I moved to Mac some time ago and I'll never go back. Virtual Machines run windows and designer great and the new macbooks can hold up to 8 GB of Ram. Though I'd stick with the initial 4 GB until 3rd Party ram becomes available. On principal I'm not in love with haveing a non removable battery, but if it lasts that long you might be fine with it.
You can drive a HUGE display if you want. Since you travel I'd stay away from the 17inch. it really is a monster compared to the 13 inch. And since you're not a gamer your probably not going to miss anything compared to the 15 inch version with the dual graphics chips.
I'd suggest you take a hard look at the new 13 inch MacBook Pro.
Posted by David Leedy At 07:55:47 AM On 06/10/2009 | - Website - |
Posted by Mike At 11:45:28 PM On 06/09/2009 | - Website - |
Failing that, we get Lenovos at work now, and they don't suck. Just sayin'...
Posted by Rob McDonagh At 11:10:21 PM On 06/09/2009 | - Website - |